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Hey everyone.
Is about this :grey tiel: poor guy, here:
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I will write down the story with more details.
I got 2 cockatiels a years ago, both were old boys. One of them already was trough two strokes, the 3rd came after like a month I received them and unfortunately he died that time. (He wasn't active when I got him at all, he was eating and drinking doe + sleeping all day long, nothing more).
The owner I got them from was their 3rd at least, and she did send me because she is living in the county and working in the city, so she did not have a heated house for winter to keep them safe and warm.
The owner I got them from gave them with a larger cage, their previous was too small for them...for years I guess (but they were led out, they did stand on hands they said), with the new cage we got 2 new plastic feeders which did have non-skidding stripes on it which was the main trouble I later found out only, despite I spent almost all my times with them, checking constantly for weeks.
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The parrot is about is very old, around 20-21 they said, like a week later I discovered he has massively swollen leg, I thought is broken, later find out is not.
Now he was standing constantly on the new plastic feeder and he was staying in almost sitting position because of the swelling leg, the knee part just punctured and I only observed the blood below him. Than we started to treat his leg with asocilin ointment (https://mobilepet.ro/asocilin-unguent-de-uz-veterinar-20g)
which is for open skin injiry gave by the old owner who is working as a vet sanitary assistent, who treats the birds in their cabinet, not the vet she works to. Vets in our area doesn't really treat birds, one of them almost killed my budgie with injections because of allergic reactions, I myself had to discover later that she has fatty liver and I am treating them with milk thistle and dandelion root teas every other day.
I am a hungarian guy from romania and unfortunately our poor, lagging country does not really have any avian vets, I am asking the help trough the forums here.
Now the tea I also gave to the old cocktiels did increase the feather quality of the bird, which was bad and scattered previously, the leg injury just got worse, despite the antibiotics, ointments, etc and we started to give him painkillers since he was clearly suffering real bad.
Now this was around January this year, later the living wound did heal a bit, months passed with constant ointment treats and the dryd wound did fall down and the horror started, I saw white particles under the bird which did look like cartilage and unfortunately I did have right.
Later the wound started to heal and dry again, with a few drops of (not heavy at all-few specs on paper he is standing on) bleeding and like a month ago the horror did not cease and the joint's rounded parts of the bone is sticking out slightly :(
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Now what I do is every other day I cover all standings, the feeders with soft paper to prevent infections and contamination if possible, but he is walking on hes knees sometimes on the floor, they (he has a young female company now-the old owner got her because of the loos of the old friend I mentioned previously) just poop down (I keep the floor covered with soft tower and I put soft papers on)
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there and I am just simply unable to keep he's wound as clean as it should be without any types of sanitary like bandage (which is as far as I know not really possible in bird's case).
I am afraid to clean his wound better, sometimes it starts bleeding even from the ointments so, I tend to put him rarely into a low vessel, filled with non-carbonized poor and lukewarm water in hope it cleans a little.

This is when I let him out every other day on my bed, he crawls over the table and climbs on the side of our budgie's cage's cardboard box's side:
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You can check all photos in this photo gallery I made:
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Now I want to ask someone if is possible if you go to the avian vet with your birds with no urgent case if you could show him-her the photos of him and he's leg, what do they say, they would recommend?
I can offer you a few bucks to cover that if for the trouble.
Now I can imagine the wound this large should be sew together or something, but is out of possibilities unfortunately since no vets cares that much for birds or knows that much about birds to do that.

Sorry for my poor English and thanks a lot for any kind of help!!!
I feel bad that I can't do nothing other for him to get better. :(
 

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Most vets aren't going to offer advice without physically seeing the bird for liability reasons. Have you tried one of those online ask a vet things? I've never used one but they might be perfect for this type of situation.
 

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This looks like a case of bumblefoot to me. This link has some information on what to do about it, and you can google for more: https://www.beautyofbirds.com/bumblefoot.html

The article has lots of information about appropriate perches and protecting the area from additional injury and contamination. Also look for ways to improve his diet if necessary. Many pet birds are deficient in Vitamin A, because seeds don't have very much of it. Does he eat a lot of vegetables and fruits? Or a good quality pellet? These are good sources of Vitamin A.

In the picture it looks like his toenails might be too long. This can interfere with the normal angle of the toes when he's gripping a perch or standing on a flat surface. So trimming the nails might help, but be careful not to cut the vein that's in the nail. When the nails are first cut, the edges will be very dull and blunt and his feet may slip on the perch. But they will get sharp again soon.
 

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Hey roxy culver!
Is actually a great idea I haven't think of to be honest recently. I do have a bad experience, once I did pay a small amount of fee to an online avian vet with money charge and no response whatsoever. I think I'l read some feedback on some of these websites and it can be a great help indeed! Thanks!
Hey tielfan.
Thanks for the answer and the links.
It kind of really looks like the issue you talk about, yet hes leg was uniformly swollen before the living wound appeared, unlike in those cases shown in the link. I will dig myself into regardless.
About their diets: well I give them salads usually like 2 times a week from our garden, not that much at winter since the veggies from the stores are full with poisonous chemicals (which could kill my budgie with fatty liver with ease), eggs (from our hens from the county) again like about 2 times a week, apples the same times a week (from our garden), carrot once a week or once/2weeks + millet spray, occasionally sticks with honey (like once a month) + regular mixed budgie food without preservatives and colorants (again because of the budgie with fatty liver) + regular mixed cockatiel food and vitamins in the water (Promotor ,,43'' Vitamin + Amino acids) sometimes when their feathers molts or when once of the birds feels worse than usual.
Thanks again guys. Hopefully we will achieve some kind of results for the good.
 

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It would be good if you can give them vegetables every day, not just twice a week. If you have room for some indoor flower pots, you can grow some greens indoors in the winter time. Instead of letting the plants get to full size, you can pick some baby leaves every day and give it to the birds.
 

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You can cook or Blanche vegetables then freeze them to use them later. You can also buy dehydrated vegetables online, ( or dehydrate your own with a dehydrator) same nutritional value as cooked vegetables. ( and birds usually enjoy this more then wet food for some reason) .

You can also buy organic seeds and sprout them ( just as nutritious as vegetables I think )
 

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Sorry I have no answers about the wound. Are you sure that's the bone , it looks like a scab or maybe infection? Hm. You sound like your trying your best, I hope they will be okay!

And don't forget to trim his nails if they are too long .
 
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