The carrier is a descent size. I only take her out for about a half hour. I open the top of the carrier and sit it on my lap. I always make sure my hands are resting on the side of the carrier just in case she tries to climb out. When I perch her on my finger I make sure shes right over the carrier that sits on my lap and I hover my other hand over her wings. She enjoys it. Except today she was really nervous for some reason so I brought her right back inside.