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:cry: Oh noooooo. How quickly something can go wrong....... My bird was fine this morning, everything seemed normal, after a couple of hours though I noticed he was being rather quiet, that's not unusual though some days he has quiet days, then noticed he had some very runny poos and he hasn't had anything watery or a bath today....... start of concern...... then notice he has lost his appetite...... lots of concern........and now he can't seem to stay awake, he is just sitting there sleeping and his feet feel clammy and :cry::cry::cry: and he's kind of hunched over a bit. I feel devastated and could hardly keep myself together ringing the vet and talking to them about it. He's been like this the last couple of hours now.

I can't believe how emotional I feel knowing he isn't feeling well. I shouldn't be surprised really I love that little monster more than anything and I'm really really trying to be strong so he doesn't pick up on me being upset but I can't seem to help it. I've just gone to pieces seeing him sick.

The vet said that they couldn't see him until tomorrow and to just let him rest in a quiet spot that is a warm temperature.

I wish he could talk and tell me what's wrong so I knew what to do :cry::cry::cry::cry:
 

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Is the vet open now? If so, I'd take him and just show up at their door. With a decline that fast, I wouldn't be comfortable waiting until tomorrow.
 

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I know right, I tried to tell that to them over the phone.

Realistically though I think taking him to the vet would only make me feel better and like I was doing something, really the drive there (is at least 15km away or a tad more and part of the ride would be a noisy highway) would not be good for him like this. I wish all vets and all Doctors for that matter went to the sick in emergencies and didn't make the sick patients have to travel to them!!!!

I tried the local mobile vet first but she's away at the mo.

I'm just going to make him as comfortable as possible and hope for the best now....
 

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Ok... Runny poo can be a result of
-change in diet(new food, spoiled food ect.)
-disease of other organs
-egg ready to be laid, or egg binding
-abdominal hernia(unlikely)
-overtreatment with antibiotics
-stress
-or parasites

And loss of appetite is seen with many diseases so if you have any other birds I suggest separating them,

Less active, less talking/whistling, more sleeping and decreased responsiveness mean there is definitely something wrong,....
Keep checking that he's ok and provide general supportive care,
Also I suggest setting up a small hospital cage in a quiet room with a blanket or something over the cage to reduce stress...

I hope someone else with more experience can help you!

Hold in there little guy,
*hug* loving thoughts!
 

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Is there an emergency vet that you can take him to, just until you can get to your normal vet tomorrow? They go down hill so fast, which is one main reason why they need to be seen right away. The sooner he is seen, the quicker they can find out what it is, and start treatment.

Like it has been said above, set up a cage, put food and water dishes on the ground/low, and keep an eye on him.

I hope he pulls through, keeping him in my thoughts.
 

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Thanks people, to be honest I'm really not impressed with the the vets around here. There aren't any avian specialists and the normal vets say they treat birds but when I had to take him in once before (not for illness tho just for itchy feather legs as he had new feathers growing in on his legs but was distressing him a lot) anyway they were hopeless, seriously, just heaps of cliche advice and charged me a fortune for being zero help and trying to say he had sprained his legs and give him dog anti inflammatories which he just wouldn't take because it was a cream and now way to try and feed that to him!!! Anyway I booked him in with the other vet but to be honest I have about zero faith in them now after they just brushed off the description I gave them over the phone. Sigh....

On a good side he is still doing OK, he seemed to liven up a tad a couple hours ago and even wanted to come out of his cage and flew to his fav spot, he even ate 2 or 3 little millet bits but that was all and I haven't seen him have any water yet. His feet still feel clammy though and he went fluffy/sleepy pretty quick again so I popped him back in his cage and he's sleeping now (it is night time here though so is his usual sleep time now).

Also there isn't any redness or running from his eyes or nose so I think it might be something he has eaten. He did try bougainvillea and kale for the first time the day before but that was about 18 hours beforehand so I would have thought that if that was bad it would have showed sooner after eating? Also he has been eating a pineapple top this last week, he started eating that about 5 days ago though and seemed fine but they are the only new foods I can think of?
 

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Yeah, well I guess that's classified as slight change in diet, so mabey that's just what gave him runny poop, mabey introduce the new foods a little more gradually, to reduce stress, I don't know... Just popped in my head... Good to hear he's sleeping, night time over here too. :)
 

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OK so phewwwwww! He has come through the night and is HEAPS better this morning. He's still not 100%, you can still feel his feet temperature is a little bit off but yeah, he's heaps more responsive again and looks alert and interactive, he's eaten a little bit this morning and was even able to get a little sing song out of him and he's preening again.

Man O Man I can't tell you how relieved I am....and how tired I am from getting up to check on him all through the night!!!!! :)
 

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Phew... Good to here! :)
I would still be cautious and take him in for a check up anyways, just to be safe :)

Yay that he's feelings better :D
 

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I'm tuning in late here, but I didn't see any mention of a heat lamp. You can help him stay warm by putting a towel over one end of the cage and shining a lamp on it. The heat will pass through the towel and the light won't glare in his eyes. You only want to heat up one end of the cage so he can move to the cooler side if he starts feeling too hot.
 

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Bougainvillea is POISONOUS!!
That may be his problem. You need to get some charcoal into him. An all-night pharmacy or supermarket might have charcoal capsules in the Health section, or you can try crushing a little bit of charcoal dog biscuits. Try to give him a tiny bit of charcoal on his tongue.

It would be well worth it for you to go out tonight and try to get some.

I don't care what anyone says about bougainvillea being safe. It is NOT.
 

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I was going to mention a heat pad, but me being half asleep when I posted that, I forgot.

I am glad he is doing much better though and I hope he continues to improve. :)
 

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Bougainvillea is POISONOUS!!
That may be his problem. You need to get some charcoal into him. An all-night pharmacy or supermarket might have charcoal capsules in the Health section, or you can try crushing a little bit of charcoal dog biscuits. Try to give him a tiny bit of charcoal on his tongue.

It would be well worth it for you to go out tonight and try to get some.

I don't care what anyone says about bougainvillea being safe. It is NOT.
Charcoal needs to be given very rapidly in order to bind toxins. Since it's already been almost 24 hours, I wouldn't recommend it at this point. It could upset the bird's system more, especially if he is already seeming better. I WOULD take him for a vet check today, though.
 

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Bougainvillea is POISONOUS!!
From http://www.gardenguides.com/105330-bougainvillea-toxicity.html :

The waxlike substance on bougainvillea spines is toxic and causes skin irritation when touched. This skin rash is known as contact dermatitis. Bougainvillea is not considered a toxic plant to ingest. It is listed by the University of Iowa Hospital as nontoxic. The skin rash is a potential irritant to pets as well as children and adults.
From http://www.ehow.com/facts_7310622_bougainvillea-poisonous-dogs_.html :

Bougainvillea is considered a mildly poisonous plant if ingested by dogs.

According to the Minnesota Department Of Health, a plant that is listed as non-toxic for animals may not cause serious health problems, but dogs can still suffer from ill effects after ingestion. Gastrointestinal symptoms such as diarrhea and vomiting are the most commonly seen in dogs after plant ingestion.
Cockatiel Cottage lists it as safe: http://www.cockatielcottage.net/houseplants.html

I looked at several other sites, and there seems to be general agreement that the spines can cause irritation, and the toxicity from ingestion is estimated at zero to mild.
 

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Excellent post, tielfan! As can be seen by your links, bougainvillea is toxic. Yes, maybe some have found that certain parts of the plant are ingested fine, however, considering that it has been proven that certain other parts of the plant cause symptoms, I'd take that as an indication to steer clear of it entirely.

Birds are a lot more sensitive to things than are dogs or humans. Albeit, dogs are a different type of animal, it still warrants caution if some plant can cause a dog or human to have GI symptoms.

Seems like the symptoms that Barney has include GI problems. In my opinion, it would be reasonable to consider that he came in contact with a portion of the plant that could cause those symptoms.

Regarding the charcoal: Better late than never. And, a small amount of charcoal will not cause any harm. Although it's been about 24 hours, the charcoal could still help to sweeten Barney's digestive tract and possibly give him some relief from his discomfort.

Sounds like whatever was troubling him was passing through, but a little charcoal could still provide a soothing action to his poor 'tummy'.
 

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Just one other point I'd like to make regarding toxic plants. I had done extensive research into toxic plants when rehabbing reptiles and birds years ago. I gave up all my little guys when I suffered a severely debilitating neck injury 12 years ago.

However, when I first got the birds I currently have last summer, I looked up the lists of safe and toxic plants on bird websites, 2 of which you posted, Carolyn. I was very surprised to see that plants considered toxic on my older lists are on the safe lists for birds. If in doubt, I prefer to err on the side of considering them toxic. If you'd like me to list some of those plants, I'll be happy to!
 
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