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i have a cinnamon pearl whiteface hen and i have a friend who is going to give me a cinnamon whiteface cock....
i wanted to breed them, but people have told me you shouldnt breed visual whiteface to visual whiteface, as it results in small birds... you should only breed a visual to a spit?
is this true?
this sucks because i am a tad mental and i dislike the colour orange... i dont particularly like the colour yellow either... :p
any answers?

i dont really see the big issue with small birds anyway, i get the whole, not wanting to reduce the species by bad human selection, but i live in australia and i once found a wild cockatiel with a broken wing, i put it in a metre(3-4foot) square cage my grandparents had on our verandah and left the big door open, it took about 3 months for the tiel to get better, i gave it food and water, but never touched it (it was very wild) then one day it just flew out the door, sat on my gate post for about 5 mins, then a flock of tiels flew overhead and it rejoined them (the tiel used to come back every so often to sit on the gate post and look at us),
now this bird was a **** of a lot smaller than my cinnamon hen, so if both whitefaces were a 'larger than wild' bird anyway... what would be the issue if they had 'smaller than them' babys?
 

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I haven't got a clue but I'm intrested too see it. I on the other hand LOVE their orange cheeks and bright yellow patches!
 

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I love their cheek patches too :) I was going to get a cute grey faced tiel but my parents said no tiels ;) Iam really glad I got Spike :)
 

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its not like i dislike the yellow/orange on other peoples cockatiels (regardless of colour they are all cute!) but i just dont want to own one myself...
yeah i cant find anything anywhere about breeding visual whitefaces being bad...
 

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I can't see it being a problem either. Wild cockatiels are naturally smaller than our pet ones, so that's not a good comparison. ;) The breeder i got Bailee from had a few gorgeous whiteface pairs set up.
 

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I can't see it being a problem either. Wild cockatiels are naturally smaller than our pet ones, so that's not a good comparison. ;) The breeder i got Bailee from had a few gorgeous whiteface pairs set up.
hehe yeah the wild birds are really small!
Cinn still is big compared to all the tiels i have so far met in person, but its not like i think size is really important anyway (some of the coolest tiels ive met have been midgets lol), i was just hoping it wasnt going to make them or their offspring sick or uncomfortable in some way.

glad to hear someone in the 'trade' side of things has visual whitefaces paired together!

it just sucks cos one of the people who said it is bad was a breeder herself too... one that is totally respectable and caring in all ways...
all people have their little idiosyncrasies anyway ...
 

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I've gotten the same opioions only about Quakers

we've been told by 2 differnt "Breeders" and i'll say that lightly because i don't know them personally that Breeding 2 visual blue quakers will result in small babies

well the only way 2 get visual blue quakers is to breed 2 Blue quakers!
and that's what we want (they're high demand in our area but no one has any)

BUT my boyfriend talked to a breeder in S.Carolina ( we live in indiana) and he's been breeding quakers along with other birds for many years, and he's got several pairs of blue quakers and he had nothing but good stuff to say

I've read in general the blues are smaller but then again so is the greens split to blues, and I've got a small green ( we've seen bigger but not smaller then mine)

i think it depends on the person your talking to the way I took the "advice" is She took offense to us wanting to start breeding blue quakers (even know we were in different states) she felt we were a threat to her bussiness

i'm sure not all breeders are like that, but it sounds like the one you spoke to is like the one we spoke to about quakers

I've never heard of any problems breeding 2 white faces of any sort though
 

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glad to hear all this, this pair i will have....counting..4 more days including this one... are my dream pair! ~female cinnamon pearl whiteface(possibly pied, hard to tell), and male cinnamon whiteface....unsure exactly what he looks like yet (as i see and decide to get him or not on friday) but am told that he has a bright white face, and a medium cinnamon brown body... <3
 

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"QUESTION
I read an article that says you should not breed Whiteface to Whiteface
as it may bring all the faults back that were present when Whiteface were
first established. It says you should only breed a Whiteface to a Normal
Grey split to Whiteface. What is your opinion on this?


ANSWER
The original group of Whiteface birds first imported by Dale Thompson
into the US out of Europe in 1980 were smaller sized birds than those
seen at shows today. This is not unusual as many recessive color
mutations when first produced are usually on the small side. It may take
several generations to build size, stamina and strength into new,
autosomal recessive mutations.


Initially, breeders pair smaller recessive mutations to either:

1. Large homozygous (pure) Normal stock if available, (e.g. Normal
Grey);

2. Large heterozygous Normal stock split to other mutations (e.g.,
Normal Grey/Pearl); or

3. Large sex-linked stock, (e.g., Cinnamon), etc.


all of which have been LINEBRED for generations.


Such linebred birds must carry size and excel in other desirable qualities
such as fertility, excellent parenting skills, and outer visible traits
including superior conformation, body shape and proportions, proper
wing carriage, etc. As a result of using this technique, aviculturists are
able to infuse hybrid vigor for peak vitality and robust health into the
resulting offspring.


The “secret” in upgrading stock is to use linebred birds that have been
carefully bred for GENERATIONS and which have been bred directly
from pedigreed stock. In other words, one would not use just any bird or
an outcross without a worthy pedigree or an outstanding assessment
given by a seasoned breeder, exhibitor, or judge.


Some of the best pairings among recessives are breeding "split to split,"
where a smaller percentage of better quality visual young of the
recessive mutation are produced. This route does takes longer, but is
well worth it. If less than quality stock is used, either progress will never
be made, or progress will only be made in painfully slow steps and only
with a lot of random “luck.”


Today, however, there are plenty of Whiteface lines that are bred for
size. In contrast, unfortunately, there are certainly plenty of Whiteface
stock that still lack size and are being sold in the pet trade. Therefore,
my best advice to you is to purchase the best (and largest) Whiteface
mutation you can afford and work it into your breeding program.


Large Whiteface mutations can be found, often in combination with other
color mutations e.g. Whiteface Pearl, Whiteface Cinnamon, etc. If you
purchase a cock and mate the cock to two different hens, you can keep
the lines separate until, in a few generations, you combine the lines
together. Or, if you choose, you can breed third generation offspring
back to their elders. This subject, however, is another topic in itself.


For now, buy a visual Whiteface that exhibits size. If size is not present,
you will have to begin the work yourself to build size into future
generations by pairing the Whiteface, or split Whiteface to a mate that
excels in size. If a trait such as size is not present, it is usually (with few
exceptions), lacking in the genotype. If you can only afford to purchase a
split, be certain to inspect the parents and other relatives to ascertain
that the parents, and any other close relatives, are all quality birds with
the traits that you seek."

Well Cinnamaroll is a GIANT bird larger than most of the 'normals' ive seen around this area... so i dont think i will have problems there!
i just hope the male is large also..... only 2 more days.....*arrgh the excitement!*
 
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