Thank you. I haven't started yet.....lol. When we first got Dooby from the breeder, he was afraid of hands, now I thought that was a little strange because he was "hand reared" but then I saw the way that the husband caught him to put him in the cage that I'd taken for him. Dooby was on a picture rail and the man just grabbed him, of course Dooby screamed, I didn't really like the way he did it, but I figured that as it was the last time that would ever happen, I wouldn't say anything. Anyway, of course when I got him home, he didn't like my hands, it took quite a while for him to accept my hands and to step up, then with his first moult and his first "hormonal frenzy" the hatred of hands came back and it's been like it ever since, only now Dooby is no longer a little baby bird,he has the strength of a big cockatiel and the confidence to go with it. He knows he hurts me and he knows that I will leave him if he bites, that is something I just can't avoid. So, this is where we are at now, I put my hands anywhere near him and he bites. He will fly to my arm, shoulder, head etc. with no problem, he just doesn't like hands....having said that, if he gets onto my shoulder he now attacks my ear, face, neck and anything else that he can get his beak to. He is a thug and I'm fast running out of ideas, so towelling is going to be done tomorrow....but who's to say that will work, I really don't think Dooby will ever change, he just doesn't like hands and can't be trusted to sit on my shoulder. Rosie, if you are reading this, how are you getting on with Willow, did you go through the same sort of thing with hands with him?