It's really sad to say that in BOTH these cases these birds were NOT tamed properly by the breeder or pet store. I see new stories like this almost every day on this website and it breaks my heart that people sell or give away birds that were NOT trained to be around humans! I have three babies right now that are a little over 2 weeks old and it doesn't take much at all to hand feed and just HANDLE these birds so they get use to being around people and are much happier pets. The bad news to this is that once a bird gets a certain age and is still terrified of hands ( or humans ) It's THREE times as hard to correct this as it would have been to do it RIGHT in the first place! About all I can tell both of you is to take it slow and easy. You just can't rush things when you have birds that are half wild due to other peoples laziness! Smelko47: This may or may not help but I would try letting yours out of the cage AT LEAST and hour every day. This gives them free flying time and birds are ( in most cases ) happier when there not lock in a cage for days on end.