[atvchick95]

I have a question about the cheek patches for the tiels that you can't visually sex

I know on Normal grey males they're cheek patches are Bright orange, females are a more dull color of orange

does this go with all the basic mutations that have cheek patches?

can you tell a male from a female on a Pied tiel by the cheek patches?

The reason i ask is because I have 2 pied tiels, and acording to all the sties i've went to Nibbles is considered a heavy pied , but her markings are only on her wings and it's not very much of a marking

then I have another one (one that came from the tiels from the'rescue') i was told she's a pied - But she's got markings all over her body she's more like 2 differnt colors

her cheeks seem to be dull while on the other hand Nibbles cheeks are bright orange

and I don't understand how they both can be Pied but yet look completly different

I know there is differnt degrees of pied (heavy wash , light wash etc) i read all about that on a website and it had pictures of each one, and on that site all the Pieds look just like nibbles only some have less "pied"markings then others but they're all on the wings not the main body

 

[Bea]

I would say no, you can't use the cheek patches as an indicator of sex. On normal greys the female only has dull cheek patches because there is brown over the top of it. This happens on pieds in both the males and females. Gracie's cheek patches are so bright that i've been asked if she's actually a male before.

 

[Laura]

I agree with Bea I think the cheek patches can be deceiving and are not a good indicator in sexing. the only mutation I have heard of it really working with is the greys and even that is tricky because when Georgie was younger I had many people say they thought she was male because her cheek patches were bright and they were really bright.

 

[xxxSpikexxx]

I would say no aswell, Spikes a pied (dna'd male) and his cheek patches are dull.

 

[atvchick95]

Ok thank you, i was just wondering and fiqured who better to ask then ya'll

but here's why they confuse me

Nibbles is 'supposed' to be a Heavy Pied

a pic of her back

and one of her front side (wasn't easy to find a pic of her front side she always has her back to me LOL)

and here is my other pied

this is a pic of when i 1st got them

pretty good belly shot (LOL)

another view

So i guess why i'm confused is I just don't understand how 2 pied tiels can look So much differently, I understand there are differnt intensties i guess is how i can put it of pieds, but it has me thinking Nibbles isn't a pied at all, or at least not just a plain pied

maybe it's just me over thinking since i'm trying to learn about mutations and it has my mind travling a million different ways

 

[Bea]

They're both just regular pieds, like in budgies pied tiels can have their markings in any pattern and place. I doubt you would find two pieds completely alike. Bailee is a pied, but because of his solid wings and body colour a lot of people might not think so at first glance.

 

[Aly]

Nope, you can't use cheek patches as an indicator at all. In my opinion, not even with greys. You most certainly can't tell with pied either as pied means just that-pied. The brightness of their head is not even an indicator.
The orange has nothing to do with sex but a chemical that is produced that is causing he coloring. To be honest, I think it has alot more do to with health and nutrition and very little to do with genetics.

 

[Sophia]

I am also with NO!! When I went to a pet shop, and I asked "Is there any way you could visually sex a cockatiel ?"

He said yes their cheek patches, but in the cage every one of them had, different shades of orange on their cheek patches, so I was confused, and didn't believe him! LOL!! :lol:

 

[Laura]

They are both regular pieds, pieds come in a all kinds of markings if you look at my Ollie and then Jaime's Spike they look nothing alike but yet both are pieds Ollie has more of a yellow face and less grey where as Spike has more grey and less yellow there are many pieds that look completely different.

 

[huskymom]

I´m gonna go with no.... Maui my female,pied, has bright cheek patches.... and for a while I doubted she was a female.... and now i have eggs

Jack my male, also pied, has much duller patches than Maui, not so much but a lil more anyway...