[Premal]

Hey Guys,

Hope you are doing well and all your burds are also doing great :calico::grey tiel:

I just love this channel it gives me so much information and knowledge to know my birds.

I want to ask one basic question. I might be dumb to ask this question but let me.

How can I get butterfly baby? I have Whitefaced male and lutino pearl female. I rescued the female from one trader and cared for her, now she is recovered.

They are doing very well. I just love those butterfly babies. Does anyone have an idea of how can I get them or any possibilities to get them?

Thank you Guys in advance your comments would be a great help for me.

 

[Darkel777]

Do you mean heavy pied? I am not aware of a butterfly mutation but pied can form a butterfly shape on the back. Pied is a separate mutation from lutino and whiteface. How it manifests in the bird and what shape it takes on the back comes down to luck.

 

[tielfan]

There isn't a mutation called butterfly. Perhaps you mean saddleback pied? This is what we call a pied bird that is mostly yellow/white, but has grey on the wings in the area that would be covered if the bird was wearing a saddle.

 

[Premal]

Do you mean heavy pied? I am not aware of a butterfly mutation but pied can form a butterfly shape on the back. Pied is a separate mutation from lutino and whiteface. How it manifests in the bird and what shape it takes on the back comes down to luck.

Yes, heavy pied. I want to know how to get saddleback cockatiel baby. by which parents?

 

[Premal]

There isn't a mutation called butterfly. Perhaps you mean saddleback pied? This is what we call a pied bird that is mostly yellow/white, but has grey on the wings in the area that would be covered if the bird was wearing a saddle.

yes, exactly saddleback pied. how can i get that?

 

[tielfan]

Pied patterns are fairly random so there isn't a specific way to get it. You just breed two pied parents, or one pied and one split pied, and hope for the best. I've heard that breeding a heavy pied and a light pied together is a good way to do it, but I don't understand why that would work.

Here's a link to a pdf article the way that pied modifier genes combine to make the pattern unpredictable: http://www.littlefeatheredbuddies.com/temp/piedmodifiers.pdf

 

[Premal]

Pied patterns are fairly random so there isn't a specific way to get it. You just breed two pied parents, or one pied and one split pied, and hope for the best. I've heard that breeding a heavy pied and a light pied together is a good way to do it, but I don't understand why that would work.

Here's a link to a pdf article the way that pied modifier genes combine to make the pattern unpredictable: http://www.littlefeatheredbuddies.com/temp/piedmodifiers.pdf

Great thanks for the pdf. let me check that. I am hoping that I can get one pied and then I can able to get more pied chicks from the parents.

 

[Premal]

Guys,

I am here again sorry for the trouble.

I just want to confirm something.

I have white-faced Male and lutino pearl female. They got a total of 9 babies by two separate clutches.

in the first clutch, they have babies with these mutations. 1) Pearl pied Gray Male 2) Lutino Male 3) Normal Gray Female.

in the second clutch, they have babies with these mutations. 1) Pearl pied Gray Male 2) Lutino Male 3) Lutino pearl Female 4) Pearl pied Gray Male

So now I just want to know that what are possible mutations with this pair? can you guys please share your experiences with it?

Thank you guys in advance.

 

[tielfan]

Your male is split to lutino and pearl. There are lots of crossovers between lutino and pearl ( see http://www.littlefeatheredbuddies.com/info/breed-crossovers.html for an explanation), so his chicks can get both of these genes, one of these genes, or neither of these genes from him. All the boys will get lutino pearl from their mother on the same X chromosome, but whether or not they express these colors will depend on what they get from dad. Apparently both parents are also split to pied.

You've seen just about everything you can get from this pair: pearl, lutino, lutino pearl, and normal grey, with or without the pied mutation. All chicks will be split to whiteface from dad. So far it's looking like your hen isn't split to whiteface, but I've already gotten whiteface chicks after having 10 in a row that weren't whiteface. So it's too soon to be sure yet.

The genetic calculator at http://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0Cock provides the statistical expectations but the results aren't easy to read. 1.0 means male and 0.1 means female:

1.0 natural blue(whiteface) /ino opaline(pearl) ADM.pied
x 0.1 ino opaline(pearl) /ADM.pied
% from all 1.0
8.75% 1.0 natural opaline(pearl) ADM.pied /ino blue(whiteface)
17.5% 1.0 natural opaline(pearl) /ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
8.75% 1.0 natural opaline(pearl) /ino blue(whiteface)
3.75% 1.0 opaline(pearl) ino ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
7.5% 1.0 opaline(pearl) ino /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
3.75% 1.0 opaline(pearl) ino /blue(whiteface)
8.75% 1.0 ino ADM.pied /opaline(pearl) blue(whiteface)
17.5% 1.0 ino /opaline(pearl) ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
8.75% 1.0 ino /opaline(pearl) blue(whiteface)
3.75% 1.0 natural ADM.pied /opaline(pearl)-ino blue(whiteface)
7.5% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
3.75% 1.0 natural /opaline(pearl)-ino blue(whiteface)
% from all 0.1
3.75% 0.1 natural ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
7.5% 0.1 natural /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
3.75% 0.1 natural /blue(whiteface)
8.75% 0.1 ino ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
17.5% 0.1 ino /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
8.75% 0.1 ino /blue(whiteface)
3.75% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
7.5% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
3.75% 0.1 opaline(pearl) ino /blue(whiteface)
8.75% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) ADM.pied /blue(whiteface)
17.5% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) /ADM.pied blue(whiteface)
8.75% 0.1 natural opaline(pearl) /blue(whiteface)

 

[Pradip]

I have wf cinnamon pearl female and albino male cockatie.
What type of baby come from them?