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Im reading the stickies on Breeding I would love to breed Rocko and Loki someday little baby Rockos and Lokis and I would keep a baby or two keep his family line going.Also I think it would be fun and something to keep me busy I would also like to hand rear I know some people end up giving their bird away because they cant train it.
 

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Genetics and breeding... not my strong suits, but I know for a fact that breeding isn't a walk in the park. It takes a lot of responsibility, time and patience to do. There's so much that can go wrong and you need to be able to make decisions on a moments notice
 

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You need money behind you to breed and, from what I've heard from you previously, it doesn't seem like you really do (like when you said you were gonna have to save up for a vet visit). Breeding is hard and lots of stuff can and will go wrong, and you're going to need a substantial amount of money behind you to buy all the things necessary and pay for vet trips. Loki could get egg bound and need a vet, the chicks could get sick and need a vet, etc. Hand rearing is very hard too, if you don't know what you're doing you can aspirate the chicks, you can under or over feed them, you need to monitor them and know when something isn't quite right, etc. There's also a lot of sleepless nights where you're up all the time feeding them, and you have school to go to in the mornings so I don't know how you'd manage it to be honest.

How would you go to school when you've been up all night? Who would feed them when you're at school? How will you get to the vet if you don't drive and its last minute emergency? How will you pay for the vet, not many are very keen on doing payment plans? Do you know how to hand feed a bird? Do you have a hospital box or somewhere where you can adjust the temperature to suit the chicks needs? How will you find good homes for them?

It's a huge responsibility, you're bringing lives into this world by allowing your birds to breed and that means it's on your shoulders to make sure they get the best care possible and have the best chance of surviving.
 

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You need money behind you to breed and, from what I've heard from you previously, it doesn't seem like you really do (like when you said you were gonna have to save up for a vet visit). Breeding is hard and lots of stuff can and will go wrong, and you're going to need a substantial amount of money behind you to buy all the things necessary and pay for vet trips. Loki could get egg bound and need a vet, the chicks could get sick and need a vet, etc. Hand rearing is very hard too, if you don't know what you're doing you can aspirate the chicks, you can under or over feed them, you need to monitor them and know when something isn't quite right, etc. There's also a lot of sleepless nights where you're up all the time feeding them, and you have school to go to in the mornings so I don't know how you'd manage it to be honest.

How would you go to school when you've been up all night? Who would feed them when you're at school? How will you get to the vet if you don't drive and its last minute emergency? How will you pay for the vet, not many are very keen on doing payment plans? Do you know how to hand feed a bird? Do you have a hospital box or somewhere where you can adjust the temperature to suit the chicks needs? How will you find good homes for them?

It's a huge responsibility, you're bringing lives into this world by allowing your birds to breed and that means it's on your shoulders to make sure they get the best care possible and have the best chance of surviving.
This is something I would like to try in summer not while im in school and I can stay up late and I would have help and my mam and dad both drive and before I even think of breeding I would make sure Rocko and Loki are both healthy by getting a vet check and I would get all the equipment needed and I would read alll about breeding.And I have a job now so I can get whatever I need and next summer I will be able to work in the pet store.And I would find the chicks good homes.
 

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Genetics and breeding... not my strong suits, but I know for a fact that breeding isn't a walk in the park. It takes a lot of responsibility, time and patience to do. There's so much that can go wrong and you need to be able to make decisions on a moments notice
I have a lot of time and everybody in my house would help out too.
 

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There's also the fact to take into consideration of whether or not the birds are worth breeding. Cockatiels are one of the most over-bred pet birds out there, and there are literally THOUSANDS in shelters all over the world.

What are you breeding for? Are you breeding for the betterment of the species (removing health issues from a particular mutation or line, proportionate birds, etc)? [ http://www.internationalcockatielresource.com/breeding-for-proportionate-birds.html ]
Are you absolutely positive that Rocko and Loki are not related? Without a pedigree or getting it straight from the breeder, you don't know for sure they're not related or even possibly siblings. Do you really want to produce unhealthy, inbred chicks?

Or are you just breeding to have chicks and maybe keep one or two? To me, that seems like an option that's a little bit selfish, when there are so many without homes or in improper environments to begin with. If you want more cockatiels, why not just go to the shelter or find a rehome who needs a good home? If you want chicks and want to experience that, why not have a good relationship with a good breeder who is willing to teach you and let you help out? Or even volunteer at a local wildlife rescue or your local shelter/humane society?
 

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There's also the fact to take into consideration of whether or not the birds are worth breeding. Cockatiels are one of the most over-bred pet birds out there, and there are literally THOUSANDS in shelters all over the world.

What are you breeding for? Are you breeding for the betterment of the species (removing health issues from a particular mutation or line, proportionate birds, etc)? [ http://www.internationalcockatielresource.com/breeding-for-proportionate-birds.html ]
Are you absolutely positive that Rocko and Loki are not related? Without a pedigree or getting it straight from the breeder, you don't know for sure they're not related or even possibly siblings. Do you really want to produce unhealthy, inbred chicks?

Or are you just breeding to have chicks and maybe keep one or two? To me, that seems like an option that's a little bit selfish, when there are so many without homes or in improper environments to begin with. If you want more cockatiels, why not just go to the shelter or find a rehome who needs a good home? If you want chicks and want to experience that, why not have a good relationship with a good breeder who is willing to teach you and let you help out? Or even volunteer at a local wildlife rescue or your local shelter/humane society?
I've got to say, I really do agree that bringing more cockatiels into the world when it's so full of cockatiels that don't have homes already isn't an amazing idea. I'd also forgotten that Loki and rocko might be related, that would be a big problem and it'd be hugely irresponsible to breed them unless you are sure they are not.
Great idea to volunteer somewhere where you can work with chicks. I know there's lots of places here that are dying for help so I'm sure it's the same in Ireland, and they hand rear a lot due to the chicks or parents being ill or the parents not being around anymore. You'd be saving birds that already exist instead of bringing new birds into the world to possibly eventually join the rest of the homeless birdie population.
 

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Please don't. There are so, so many cockatiels in need of good homes. Breeding for your own entertainment is selfish and short-sighted. Please look into other opportunities that would allow you to work with baby birds while also serving the birds in need.
 

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I'd thought about breeding too, and Honey and Henry actually had their first clutch of eggs last year, and they turned out to be infertile and ever since then they haven't mated. They were very sad when they realised the eggs weren't going to hatch and I felt so sad burying them in the garden. Unless they want to try again, I'm not going to push breeding. They seem perfectly happy as they are now, and I wouldn't change that for them unless they wanted to.
 

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Theres no bird shelters here in Ireland and also not many cockatiels its very hard to find a cockatiel in a petstore one of the petstores near me only gets in 2 cockatiels until they are sold and they are always Males and my other petstore always has a few in they are the only pet stores I know that have cockatiels most have other parrots.Im not breeding for entertainment and I dont know how to find out if theyre related and of course if I knew I wouldnt breed them.I want to breed because I think they both have very nice colours and would make great parents and so other people can see what wonderful pets they are.
 

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I'd thought about breeding too, and Honey and Henry actually had their first clutch of eggs last year, and they turned out to be infertile and ever since then they haven't mated. They were very sad when they realised the eggs weren't going to hatch and I felt so sad burying them in the garden. Unless they want to try again, I'm not going to push breeding. They seem perfectly happy as they are now, and I wouldn't change that for them unless they wanted to.
I wouldnt push them into breeding either I would let them breed if they wanted to also I would like to them to be more closer to each other.
 

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I think it would be fun and something to keep me busy
How is this not about your entertainment?

Also, hand rearing is very risky and thre are plenty of healthier ways to socialize baby birds.

Finally, if you can't determine whether your birds are siblings, you should not breed them, period.
 

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How is this not about your entertainment?

Also, hand rearing is very risky and thre are plenty of healthier ways to socialize baby birds.

Finally, if you can't determine whether your birds are siblings, you should not breed them, period.
Its not for entertainment its fun to watch little babies hatch and grow up anybody will tell u that and I can find out if they are siblings or related in any way because the pet shop owner (My mams friend) one of the workers in the petshop breeds the cockatiels so he can tell me if they are related or not.And you could have just said hand rearing is very risk and tell me theres healthier ways to socialise baby birds and yes then I will socialise them a different way.
 

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Sorry I meant it would be fun to watch them hatch and grow and find lovely new homes.I dont wanna breed to make money either just find the chicks lovely homes.And I know a few people that would be interested in taking a chick.Another thing I would have to get DNA tests before attempting breeding to find out if they are Male or Female.
 

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Just because a store keeps only two cockatiels at a time, means nothing of the cockatiel population. We have thousands of cockatiels in the US alone, most pet stores get their birds like tiels and budgies from mills (like the one I'm employed at, unfortunately), and we only keep 2-3 cockatiels at a time. More could easily be ordered at any given moment.
 

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Just because a store keeps only two cockatiels at a time, means nothing of the cockatiel population. We have thousands of cockatiels in the US alone, most pet stores get their birds like tiels and budgies from mills (like the one I'm employed at, unfortunately), and we only keep 2-3 cockatiels at a time. More could easily be ordered at any given moment.
Thats nothing to do with breeding anyway but here in Ireland theres not a huge population of Cockatiels.
 
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