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While I was doing research trying to find the formula for getting a Whiteface Lutino I came accross a site that claimed it was not wise to cross Cinnamons with Lutinos. I was under the impression that Lutinos had NO melanin. They say however that THAT cross leaves residual melanin in the feathers so you end up with something they called a "Dirty Lutino" I don't see how that's possible. Anybody ever hear of that? Is it so?:confused:

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the only way i've came up with getting Lutino White faces (and I've done it a million different ways) was like this

Male :White Face Lutino
Female: Lutino Split to white face

off spring

50% White Face Lutino
50% Lutino Split to White Face

Same as males

Or of course the easiest way is both male and female be white face lutino then your offspring would be 100% white face lutino - if neither parent is split to anything.

I've heard of Lutino Cinnamon, (saw them on ads for sale but of course they never had a picture)

this is what i was able to find about the main question

I have heard that when you breed a Lutino cockatiel to a Cinnamon
cockatiel you can get "dirty" Lutinos. Is this true? Also, does this
theory apply to just Cinnamons and Lutinos, or Cinnamons and
Lutinos that are also Pearl? Just wondering. Thanks.


Hi Tristan,

First, I must point out that breeding a Lutino cockatiel to a Cinnamon
cockatiel will not produce the cross mutation Lutino Cinnamon unless
each parent has the correct genotype (i.e., all the necessary color
genes in its genetic makeup). Because both the Lutino mutation and
the Cinnamon mutation are sex-linked, the following will hold true:

1. A sex-linked sire will produce visual sex-linked daughters and split
(non-visual) sex-linked sons

2. A sex-linked dam will produce split sex-linked sons and non-linked
daughters (non-linked daughters neither show nor carry the mutation).

We would have to know the exact pedigree and which mutations each
parent showed or carried in order to accurately predict or chart the
offspring expected.

Now, on to what I believe is at the heart of your question. In the short
answer, yes, it is true that in some (but not all) bloodlines, there is a
possibility that some Lutino Cinnamons will "bleed through." Bleeding
through, in essence, means that the Lutino gene is unable to totally
suppress the Cinnamon gene. Therefore, a weak Cinnamon cast to
the feathers - usually the back, flight and tail feathers – can be seen.
This break-through of a cinnamon tinting, according to current show
classifications, is not desirable and therefore such birds are penalized
on the show bench.

To answer the second part of your question, yes, Lutino Cinnamon
Pearls can also show a cinnamon tint to their plumage. Some
aviculturists find it quite attractive as the cast accents the pearl
lacings in this triple mutation. However, again, at this point in time, any
“break-through” of cinnamon color would be considered a fault and
therefore would be penalized on the show bench.

From this website:

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Bird Vertebrate Beak Parrot Cage
They are calling this Emerald.

I never heard of bleed through. I thought it was not possible to show a mix of those two mutations. Just as you've stated I figured a male can carry the sex linked genes without them showing but I thought a hen could not carry a hiden gene unless it was reccessive. Although I have wondered what the Olive or emerald is. It looks like a "Dirty Lutino" to me.

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heard of it and seen it.....

they look like normal lutinos but as if they rolled in the dirt.... just a hint of it... like dusted..

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I have two lutino whitefaces. After there 2nd molt "cini" color shows on their wings, backs and tails. It seems to get darker and darker. Other ppl are noticing it on them now too, not just me anymore. I will try and get some new pics of them.

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Gosh, those Whiteface Lutinos are simply stunning!!! Thank you for sharing them!

I've heard of the term 'dirty' Whiteface Lutino or 'dirty' Lutino. And yes, it's when the Cinnamon is mixed in with the Lutino/Whiteface mutation. To me, they are a very pretty bird. Not common, but gorgeous all the same.

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I've heard before that cinnamon whiteface lutinos can have a bit of a purplish tint, particularly on the wings. It's interesting to find out that it can get stronger after molting. I have a whiteface lutino chick who may or may not be cinnamon as well. She's pure white right now but I'll be watching to see if she develops any purple!

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As for the cinnamon thing- yes the cinninom can bleed through but it doesn't always happen even if the bird is a cinnamon lutino. Emerald (also called olive, spangle, and/or suffused yellow) is completely different and is a fairly new mutation. The hens show the greenish tint more than the males. Here is my hen Paris.


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Here are some pics..they aren't that great...

They are so pretty and I am just curious what color eyes do they have do they have red or bluish grey eyes as I was told mine is a cinnamon whiteface lutino cause she has bluish grey eyes!! So I wonder if she will change color cause she is only a 1 1/2 years old and how old were yours when they started changing color? Thanks, Melissa & The Flock
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